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Topic: What's On Your Mind #144 4 minutes ago #9702482      

@comrade_Comrade
"And if bullshit studies are on the list of free courses, then you end up subsidizing non-productive activity. "

I presume you mean humanities classes, but the notion of "non productive activity" is fallacious at best.

" Consider the fact that higher iq and determination both correlate with wealth and can be at least in part inherited by children."

Er. Higher IQ correlates (but not perfectly) with higher pay, but the relationship is much weaker when you go to "wealth" rather than "pay". Yes, wealth is the accumulation of pay and other such things in a sense, but because wealth is multigenerational that leaves your argument hanging onto the notion that 1.) IQ is a good measure of intelligence in general and 2.) that IQ is strictly genetically determined, and as far as I've seen that doesn't appear to be true.

Do you know the original purpose of IQ testing? It is one that it is still used for by the psych community, though the use you seem to advocate has largely been abandoned...



Topic: What's On Your Mind #144 25 minutes ago #9702480      

@Dorkymike I'd say that a lot depends on how that free education is done. If it's limited to STEM (something where you can have more or less objective measure of success), discourages studying for test and testing standards are not diluted it will filter out inadequates. Problem is that even if implemented as such, I don't expect it to stay that way for long.

More likely that there will be pressure to achieve correct ratios of racial and gender representation, that will undermine the integrity of testing. In fact, even supposedly meritocratic Soviet higher education had ethnic quotas. Scariest person you can meet is a chemical engineer who writes down silver azide on the list as "silver azide", not AgN3.
And if bullshit studies are on the list of free courses, then you end up subsidizing non-productive activity. On top of that, degree becomes an IQ test of sorts (something that employers in US are effectively prohibited from administering), so just to find decent employment you'll have to study four or five years something you're not going to pursue.

It's interesting that ability to pay could be in fact a proxy to performance ability. Consider the fact that higher iq and determination both correlate with wealth and can be at least in part inherited by children. I'm just guessing and can be wrong here, but in combination with scholarships and GI Bill it could cover significant part of the pool of viable applicants. Main problem with higher education in US is not that it has to be paid for, but that it's price is out of whack and people keep investing in it despite expected ROI getting worse every year.



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Topic: Hi? @Wortel here? 33 minutes ago #9702479      

@Wortel
I'd need something to comment first...
I can't just go and talk about something completely off topic!!!



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Topic: What's On Your Mind #144 2 hours ago #9702478      

Noscript is working again. Now just waiting on Downthemall.



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Topic: What's On Your Mind #144 2 hours ago #9702477      

@comrade_Comrade Do you believe that free education has no way of filtering out those whose performance is lower? I see this argument a lot, and it seems a bit bizarre to me. As it stands ability to pay is not a good proxy for performance ability.




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